No one should preach to fans about how they should express their opinion. The idea of You'll Never Walk Alone is a conditional illusion. Liverpool supporters have always had an edge
Most ex players got a round of applause from the kop when I stood on it. Can't understand why people can't appreciate how hard he has worked to bring us two league titles and three champions league finals. He's been a joy to watch most of the time and deserves to see how his game develops playing for Alonso at the richest club in the world . For THAT corner alone he has my undying love and appreciation, and I don't blame him at all for wanting some sunshine and sangria , good luck lad , apart from when you play against us like !
Didn’t Oxlade-Chamberlain sign an extension while his knee was blown to bits? There wasn’t much jeopardy in Trent running his contract down, if he got hurt or Real changed their mind he’d just come back. Very few players turn down an extension and pay increase but he’s literally done it in order to leave.
I’m not buying what James was selling on the pod last week that Trent didn’t strategically re-sign for 4 years. I’m not saying he knew Madrid would be in for him 4 years ago but he didn’t sign for 6 years to give himself one thing…flexibility. He preferred the option of being free at 26 vs. 28 (makes all the sense in the world) and once Jurgen left we were staring down the barrel at this eventuality. The fact is he wasn’t signing in ‘23 and it’s naive to believe that conversations hadn’t started at that point about leaving. Maybe not serious but they had started.
Trent can do what he wants and move where he wants but it’s foolish to think that fans won’t voice their opinion. Both the player and the club will move on and be just fine. I just hope he wins nothing in Madrid; they aren’t my kind of outfit and I prefer to beat them than join them (but I’m a shit footy player so I don’t think they care).
Oh, mate, I didn’t see it like that! Not at all. I was trying to counterbalance your view but didn’t mean to be aggressive. The main point I was making is I don’t care about upsetting either side. I’ll tell you what I know and I’m way beyond worrying about how the club or the player feel. Sorry if I came over too heavy
Todd, you can believe what you like. James has a relationship to protect but he’d never lie for the club. Me, I don’t give a flying fuck and my contacts are as good as anyone’s. AOC was playing for the club. That’s why he was given an extension. Real would have laughed in Trent’s face if they had a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ and he got injured. If you know more than me, fine. But I have spoke to numerous people about it. FSG took their eye off the ball. Anyway, thanks for you feedback. Pleased you read it 👍
I only brought up AOC’s situation to show the fallback to Live rpool would have been there. Agreed that Real would have told him to piss off.
I’m not making excuses for FSG…sure they took their eye off the ball but I think player’s free will and agency often get ignored in these situations. Two willing parties have to agree to a deal and everything about Trent’s behavior tells me he wasn’t going to. I certainly don’t have your contacts and I respect but can’t ignore what I see out of him. I also get that I only see 1%, if that, and can be totally wrong.
Lastly, I wasn’t trying to accuse James of lying. I just don’t think the club side is the whole story (same thought process as above). Sorry it came across that way. I’m not a “you’re lying to protect your relationship” idiot, I’m a plain old fashioned idiot.
He's only 26 and he's won everything he can with LFC. Of course he should go and seek out a new challenge. He's going to the most successful club in the world which seems completely right. No worker owes anything to their employer -especially if they are out of contract. And to all the idiots saying 'it's only about the money' - well if I was offered £500k a week or whatever to do my job, I'd be an absolute moron to turn it down. I wish Trent all the success possible with Real Madrid and am happy that he spent so many incredible years with LFC.
I wish you had been this blunt on the athletic Tony.
Interestingly, you’re the first person I’ve seen to bring logical arguement about what the player can/cant be blamed for *and* still say he’s dead to you 😂 I hugely respect that.
The only point I would add is that leaving on a free isnt just about getting more money for yourself… it also gives you choice over where to go that I suspect you wouldn’t have if Edwards & Hughes are pushing for market value.
*and* all the Trent & Real Madrid conspiracy theories rather miss that Madrid were doing exactly the same thing, same leaks, same articles, with alphonso Davies.. which just shows how much credence to give them. The playbook is designed to drive a wedge between player, club and fan base.
I have to be honest though.. I don’t think a player is dead to me. I don’t have any problems with someone honouring a contract and leaving - as you said, clubs problem - and to me Trent has given everything over 20 years, won everything, and deserves his choice.
I was appalled by the booing (and let’s be honest, in football it’s never just booing is it..) but I’ve been more appalled by the insane blame, abuse and conspiracy theories.
To me, some fans have ruined a good thing because they can’t process their grief, not the player by his choice.
I'm too ecstatic about him leaving to boo him. Now we'll get a right back who actually runs, rather than do an impression of a golfer who has accidentally walked onto a football pitch, walking around and occasionally twatting a ball into the distance. Trent's missed his vocation.
He's shit on the club that made him. If it wasnae for Liverpool FC, he'd be working in Subway, very slowly, and delivering his butties to his customers by launching them 50 yards out the door.
He's clearly deliberately run down his contract so he could join General Franco's shite on a bosman and it doesn't matter if he's only been planning it for a couple of years, or since birth.
Booing's too good for him. He should be taken over to Fort Perch Rock, thrown into the nearest available vessel from Dodgy Dave's Dinghies on the front in New Brighton, and cast adrift...
Any more hand gestures bordering on wanker signs to the Kop from Dominic Zzz and he can fuck off too. Not like players who run around a lot but have no football brain can't be replaced.
Any more hand gestures bordering on wanker signs to the Kop from Mo and he can fuck off too.
Any more hand gestures or arms flailing at the Kop from Cody Gakpo and he can fuck off too, in fact he can fuck off for taking off a sacred Liverpool shirt to reveal a "I believe in Jesus" vest. Anyone who believes in Jesus would know that booing Trent is God working in mysterious ways.
That's probably getting a bit iffy on the health and safety front for Dave's tubs, but who cares. THEY BROUGHT IT UPON THEMSELVES.
While we're in spring cleaning mode, they can take You'll Never Walk Alone with them as a sea shanty to sing to wile away the hours before they all drown. It's a dirge and sounds shitter every year the more cockneys there are in the ground. Doing the Lambeff Walk would be a better fit.
For me, the correct response was the one I saw with Keegan. Say goodbye and then hope he and his new team get a battering when he turns up in a different shirt, which he probably will do next season. Keegan was never bothered by the grief but he hated losing 6 - 0.
I loved the initial reaction of singing the Gerrard song. It was a way of telling Trent that by leaving he was forgoing being as beloved a club legend as Gerrard.
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.
Most ex players got a round of applause from the kop when I stood on it. Can't understand why people can't appreciate how hard he has worked to bring us two league titles and three champions league finals. He's been a joy to watch most of the time and deserves to see how his game develops playing for Alonso at the richest club in the world . For THAT corner alone he has my undying love and appreciation, and I don't blame him at all for wanting some sunshine and sangria , good luck lad , apart from when you play against us like !
Didn’t Oxlade-Chamberlain sign an extension while his knee was blown to bits? There wasn’t much jeopardy in Trent running his contract down, if he got hurt or Real changed their mind he’d just come back. Very few players turn down an extension and pay increase but he’s literally done it in order to leave.
I’m not buying what James was selling on the pod last week that Trent didn’t strategically re-sign for 4 years. I’m not saying he knew Madrid would be in for him 4 years ago but he didn’t sign for 6 years to give himself one thing…flexibility. He preferred the option of being free at 26 vs. 28 (makes all the sense in the world) and once Jurgen left we were staring down the barrel at this eventuality. The fact is he wasn’t signing in ‘23 and it’s naive to believe that conversations hadn’t started at that point about leaving. Maybe not serious but they had started.
Trent can do what he wants and move where he wants but it’s foolish to think that fans won’t voice their opinion. Both the player and the club will move on and be just fine. I just hope he wins nothing in Madrid; they aren’t my kind of outfit and I prefer to beat them than join them (but I’m a shit footy player so I don’t think they care).
Oh, mate, I didn’t see it like that! Not at all. I was trying to counterbalance your view but didn’t mean to be aggressive. The main point I was making is I don’t care about upsetting either side. I’ll tell you what I know and I’m way beyond worrying about how the club or the player feel. Sorry if I came over too heavy
Todd, you can believe what you like. James has a relationship to protect but he’d never lie for the club. Me, I don’t give a flying fuck and my contacts are as good as anyone’s. AOC was playing for the club. That’s why he was given an extension. Real would have laughed in Trent’s face if they had a ‘gentleman’s agreement’ and he got injured. If you know more than me, fine. But I have spoke to numerous people about it. FSG took their eye off the ball. Anyway, thanks for you feedback. Pleased you read it 👍
I only brought up AOC’s situation to show the fallback to Live rpool would have been there. Agreed that Real would have told him to piss off.
I’m not making excuses for FSG…sure they took their eye off the ball but I think player’s free will and agency often get ignored in these situations. Two willing parties have to agree to a deal and everything about Trent’s behavior tells me he wasn’t going to. I certainly don’t have your contacts and I respect but can’t ignore what I see out of him. I also get that I only see 1%, if that, and can be totally wrong.
Lastly, I wasn’t trying to accuse James of lying. I just don’t think the club side is the whole story (same thought process as above). Sorry it came across that way. I’m not a “you’re lying to protect your relationship” idiot, I’m a plain old fashioned idiot.
He's only 26 and he's won everything he can with LFC. Of course he should go and seek out a new challenge. He's going to the most successful club in the world which seems completely right. No worker owes anything to their employer -especially if they are out of contract. And to all the idiots saying 'it's only about the money' - well if I was offered £500k a week or whatever to do my job, I'd be an absolute moron to turn it down. I wish Trent all the success possible with Real Madrid and am happy that he spent so many incredible years with LFC.
I wish you had been this blunt on the athletic Tony.
Interestingly, you’re the first person I’ve seen to bring logical arguement about what the player can/cant be blamed for *and* still say he’s dead to you 😂 I hugely respect that.
The only point I would add is that leaving on a free isnt just about getting more money for yourself… it also gives you choice over where to go that I suspect you wouldn’t have if Edwards & Hughes are pushing for market value.
*and* all the Trent & Real Madrid conspiracy theories rather miss that Madrid were doing exactly the same thing, same leaks, same articles, with alphonso Davies.. which just shows how much credence to give them. The playbook is designed to drive a wedge between player, club and fan base.
I have to be honest though.. I don’t think a player is dead to me. I don’t have any problems with someone honouring a contract and leaving - as you said, clubs problem - and to me Trent has given everything over 20 years, won everything, and deserves his choice.
I was appalled by the booing (and let’s be honest, in football it’s never just booing is it..) but I’ve been more appalled by the insane blame, abuse and conspiracy theories.
To me, some fans have ruined a good thing because they can’t process their grief, not the player by his choice.
I'm too ecstatic about him leaving to boo him. Now we'll get a right back who actually runs, rather than do an impression of a golfer who has accidentally walked onto a football pitch, walking around and occasionally twatting a ball into the distance. Trent's missed his vocation.
He's shit on the club that made him. If it wasnae for Liverpool FC, he'd be working in Subway, very slowly, and delivering his butties to his customers by launching them 50 yards out the door.
He's clearly deliberately run down his contract so he could join General Franco's shite on a bosman and it doesn't matter if he's only been planning it for a couple of years, or since birth.
Booing's too good for him. He should be taken over to Fort Perch Rock, thrown into the nearest available vessel from Dodgy Dave's Dinghies on the front in New Brighton, and cast adrift...
Any more hand gestures bordering on wanker signs to the Kop from Dominic Zzz and he can fuck off too. Not like players who run around a lot but have no football brain can't be replaced.
Any more hand gestures bordering on wanker signs to the Kop from Mo and he can fuck off too.
Any more hand gestures or arms flailing at the Kop from Cody Gakpo and he can fuck off too, in fact he can fuck off for taking off a sacred Liverpool shirt to reveal a "I believe in Jesus" vest. Anyone who believes in Jesus would know that booing Trent is God working in mysterious ways.
That's probably getting a bit iffy on the health and safety front for Dave's tubs, but who cares. THEY BROUGHT IT UPON THEMSELVES.
While we're in spring cleaning mode, they can take You'll Never Walk Alone with them as a sea shanty to sing to wile away the hours before they all drown. It's a dirge and sounds shitter every year the more cockneys there are in the ground. Doing the Lambeff Walk would be a better fit.
😂😂😂😂
For me, the correct response was the one I saw with Keegan. Say goodbye and then hope he and his new team get a battering when he turns up in a different shirt, which he probably will do next season. Keegan was never bothered by the grief but he hated losing 6 - 0.
I loved the initial reaction of singing the Gerrard song. It was a way of telling Trent that by leaving he was forgoing being as beloved a club legend as Gerrard.
Excellent Tony well written
Thanks Paul!
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.
The big issue for me is his pretence as being one of us. If he was one of us, he would want to captain this great club to glory and be there alongside Kenny and ste. Instead, he wants to be like Beckham - a brand.
A new experience? Not buying it. We have a new manager and a new team winning things. That’s a new challenge in itself. An opportunity? Would be there in 3 years time. Could go then. Won’t play out in the press? Because you’d already made your decision.
He lied, then lied again and used us as part of his branding.
In time the edge will soften. He has memories with us. But he had an opportunity to be a legend and is trading that in for a signing on fee. And for that, he can never claim to be ‘one of us’ because one of us, would never do that.